You did a good interview here. I have read, written about and studied astronomy and cosmology for decades -- but in all this time the geocentric/geometric model appeared settled; at least in the mainstream. You give plenty of space for Robert to explain his research. There are plenty of references mentioned for me to check for myself. One aspect I notice is his character is attacked a lot in public, but not as much effort is made to falsify his research arguments.
Disappointing incident. Why are you talking about the Bible and Christianity like this, with a heretic? Don't you know that we are supposed to be separate from them(2 Corinthians 6), not associate with them, and not throw holy things unto dogs? This is completely inappropriate and contrary to our tradition. And you are linking his youtube channel, for what? So people can become heretics just like him and lose their souls? This is being unequally yoked with unbelievers (2 Cor 6: 14-18).
I think this is a bit of an overreaction. I've had heterodox guests on my podcast before to talk about subjects like this which are not in the realm of doctrine or dogma. It is a common courtesy to link the guest's content for those who are curious. It says very clearly that he is Roman Catholic so I'm not sure why you are acting like this is subversive.
Anthony, maybe you need to do a stream about differences of degree and differences of kind or logical fallacies. There are a lot guys who don’t seem to understand basic and rudimentary things.
No, this is not an overraction on my part, but excessive insensitivity on yours. You put "On the **Biblical**, scientific and historical case for geocentrism" on the description, so either you don't know how to describe your own content, or you are talking about Scriptures (which are, very much in fact, the realm of dogma), and you and I both know that this is about the book of Genesis, which is Scripture and pertains to many different aspects of our dogmas. But more importantly, this is assocating and being unequally yoked with an unbeliever, and not just any unbeliever, but an apologist of the Papist clown show. Even from a common sense perspective, this is inappropriate. "But I had it done did it before", is not a valid defense.
I never accused or implied that you were being subversive, so that's a moot point. The Holy Fathers burned down and destroyed destroyed the writings of the heretics, they didn't tell people where to get theirs. St. Ignatius has a whole chapter on avoiding books written by heretics and not speaking about Christianity with people infected by false opinions. Can you imagine St. Basil the Great telling people where the library containing Eunomius' writings was as a form of "common courtesy"? We are supposed to operate on the basis of our own way of life and tradition, and not a worldly and religiously invalid understanding of "courtesy", you should be telling people to avoid consuming the contents of heretics, not announce where their filth is to be found in front of everyone.
If Anthony had mainstream-canonical Orthodox Christians to discuss this topic with he would. The highest rungs of Orthodoxy teach things like "first without equals," Ecumenism and Ecological-social justice distractions as a replacement to the Orthodox faith. Obviously, a Heterodox Latin will advocate for his position, as he doesn't know any better. Pray for him, and show your appreciation for Anthony's willingness to cover a topic others shy away from.
No, "He is only doing it because there aren't any Orthodox to do it with" is not a valid excuse. If that can't be found, he can explore this topic (or any other topic, for that matter) alone, wait until such a person is available or not do it at all. We do not suspend our rules and tradition at the slightest impracticality. What's next, are you going to say it's okay to rob people because there are no good jobs to work? Doesn't work that way.
If you are aware of the topics you mentioned, this should serve as a stepping stone for heightened sensitivity on these topics, and not disregard of our traditions and our rules out of practical considerations. Indeed, precisely because a Latin heretic advocates for his heretical beliefs, we should cut contact and avoid such people as much as possible, as per our tradition.
St. Theophylact says: (On 2 John 1:9-11,which is pertinent to this explanation, and I leave it to you to look it up)
"The Apostle warns those to whom he is writing the epistle not only to refrain from receiving anyone who comes to them without confessing the doctrine of Christ under their roof, but also not to even greet such a person—because our greeting should be extended only to those who are of like mind and of the same faith as us. For whom should we wish well, if not those who are of one mind and one faith with us? But if we greet the ungodly—something appropriate only toward those who share our faith and disposition—then by doing so, we show that we are in communion with them and that they have already drawn us into their ungodliness. The reason why this epistle and the one following it are presented briefly, the Apostle states, is that he hopes to come himself and, through a personal meeting, complete what is lacking."
Okay so, nothing in what you said constitutes an argument. And I wouldn't call it great lengths, I don't think I spent 8 minutes in total for everything I wrote here. And besides, there is nothing wrong with going to great length to defend the truth, this is exactly what we are called to do, not to look at injustice or wronging towards God like some tranquilized cow, but to speak up against such things, especially when it comes to these kinds of subjects. Furthermore, I highly doubt that (in fact, I'm pretty sure) you are qualified to speak on these subjects in the first place, given what I've read in your other comment, you are far from being qualified to speak on these subjects in any capacity. Look up the Scripture I mentioned above and learn these things.
That's not an argument, and I know it's not the end of the world, my response was justified in its measure and called for. If you don't care about right and wrong and prefer slacktianity over truth, you can go to Protestantism. In the Orthodox Church, we engage in this kind of correcting, and rightly so. Like I said, you can go elsewhere if you don't like it, we are called to correct and warn each other when someone is out of line.
P.S., I want to add that Sungenis (and the rest of the papal apologist clowns) is a disgusting animal, who still has the audacity to be an apologist for the papal clown show, after Francis and Abu Dhabi Faith Center and every other disgusting scandal and filth, it is not possible for people like that to be acting in good faith or be sincere,this is not the early 2000's in which Orthodoxy was largely unknown and Francis etc. wasn't around for the contradictions and the shitshow to be that obvious, after everything that happened, these people are not only still Papists but are apologists for it, it's not possible for them to have even an ounce of honesty in them, there is just no way. A sensible person would run far away from them as soon as they saw them, and not interact with them, let alone shoot an episode with them like this. You should know better.
I didn't contest that.We do not listen to strangers. Read St. Ignatius Brinchaninov's works on this and quit your absurdity. It should be clear what my point is. St. Paul, when he came across the demon-possessed girl in the Acts of the Apostles, didn't say, "well, she is telling the truth, there is no problem with people listening to her!", bu he quickly shut her down by saying "Silence!". Educate yourself on why he did that, and stop trying to one-up me like this like a baboon with moot points I didn't object to. Learn these things.
Listen man, connect me with an Orthodox Christian who has done extensive research on geocentrism and I’ll have him on. Otherwise, if you think it’s better for me to not cover these subjects at all unless they meet your specific criteria, you can just go ahead and unsubscribe.
True love necessitates and presupposes all other virtues, one can't be truely loving without also being virtuous, and one of the virtues we are called to acquire is justice. Not sure why you wrote, what you wrote, but there is nothing "unloving" about upholding the Orthodox stance and calling people out when it's necessary.
Anthony isn't in a discussion about doctrine or apologetics with Dr. Sungenis; rather, Dr. Sungenis is being interviewed for his expertise in Cosmology. If Anthony interviews an expert in Geology with a view to explaining the effects of the Great Flood on land formations, would you make the same criticism? Anthony is not praying with Sungenis or attending Mass with him, so I don't think he is sailing in dangerous waters. The other thing is, no priest in my church would discuss this topic, and I haven't seen any Orthodox priest on YouTube discuss this subject, so Anthony is doing Orthodox Christians a service by addressing what the Bible teaches about the Earth.
It clearly has a Biblical subtext and context behind and you know it. Look up above, he himself has put the word "Biblical" in the description. And yes, I would make the same criticism for the same reasons. We are supposed to be separate from them and not get anything from them to interpret the Scripture with. We have the Saints for that. you just said "I don't think he is sailing in dangerous waters", and that's not a valid argument. you are saying that just because it is not X or Y, it is not wrong, but that's just presupposing that it's only those things that are wrong/forbidden, which is not the case. Yes I think praying with him would be worse but that doesn't make this justified.
Regarding priests in your church, you should probably know that entire dioceses and huge areas full of people together with its bishops (not just priests) have apostatized in the past, countless patriarchs got condemned for heresy, so many priests and bishops did so much wrong and evil in the past that, I am marveling that you think just because the priests in one church didn't do this or that, that's somehow an undefeatable justification in your mind. I hope you can see your own ridicilousness. I don't care about what the priests in your church do or don't do, we don't regard our clergy as popes, there is no Papism in our Church and this is not Roman Catholicism with all its clericalism. I brought up Scripture and the writings of the Saints and what you said doesn't trump that.
Another bizarre thing you wrote: " I haven't seen any Orthodox priest on YouTube discuss this subject". So, was the entire Orthodox Church waiting for Youtube to be invented and Orthodox priests to get on it just so they could know how to approach and what to think about this or that, since in your mind the veracity of Orthodox dogma is decided by vote of the democratic coalition of "priests on youtube"? Please just quit writing anything else and educate yourself before embarrassing yourself this badly.
Why do you take such a nasty tone in your replies? You’ll never win over anyone with your high-handedness and holier-than-thou manner. You say, “…and you know it” as if accusing me of duplicitousness.
You did a good interview here. I have read, written about and studied astronomy and cosmology for decades -- but in all this time the geocentric/geometric model appeared settled; at least in the mainstream. You give plenty of space for Robert to explain his research. There are plenty of references mentioned for me to check for myself. One aspect I notice is his character is attacked a lot in public, but not as much effort is made to falsify his research arguments.
Thank you my friend, I would imagine it’s not easy to even find the research he references so it helps to even know it’s there.
Makes you wonder if everything we learn is wonky? Thanks for interesting podcast
I’ve always doubted the common cosmology ever since I was little, very eye opening video 👍🏾
Phenomenal!
Disappointing incident. Why are you talking about the Bible and Christianity like this, with a heretic? Don't you know that we are supposed to be separate from them(2 Corinthians 6), not associate with them, and not throw holy things unto dogs? This is completely inappropriate and contrary to our tradition. And you are linking his youtube channel, for what? So people can become heretics just like him and lose their souls? This is being unequally yoked with unbelievers (2 Cor 6: 14-18).
I think this is a bit of an overreaction. I've had heterodox guests on my podcast before to talk about subjects like this which are not in the realm of doctrine or dogma. It is a common courtesy to link the guest's content for those who are curious. It says very clearly that he is Roman Catholic so I'm not sure why you are acting like this is subversive.
Anthony, maybe you need to do a stream about differences of degree and differences of kind or logical fallacies. There are a lot guys who don’t seem to understand basic and rudimentary things.
No, this is not an overraction on my part, but excessive insensitivity on yours. You put "On the **Biblical**, scientific and historical case for geocentrism" on the description, so either you don't know how to describe your own content, or you are talking about Scriptures (which are, very much in fact, the realm of dogma), and you and I both know that this is about the book of Genesis, which is Scripture and pertains to many different aspects of our dogmas. But more importantly, this is assocating and being unequally yoked with an unbeliever, and not just any unbeliever, but an apologist of the Papist clown show. Even from a common sense perspective, this is inappropriate. "But I had it done did it before", is not a valid defense.
I never accused or implied that you were being subversive, so that's a moot point. The Holy Fathers burned down and destroyed destroyed the writings of the heretics, they didn't tell people where to get theirs. St. Ignatius has a whole chapter on avoiding books written by heretics and not speaking about Christianity with people infected by false opinions. Can you imagine St. Basil the Great telling people where the library containing Eunomius' writings was as a form of "common courtesy"? We are supposed to operate on the basis of our own way of life and tradition, and not a worldly and religiously invalid understanding of "courtesy", you should be telling people to avoid consuming the contents of heretics, not announce where their filth is to be found in front of everyone.
If Anthony had mainstream-canonical Orthodox Christians to discuss this topic with he would. The highest rungs of Orthodoxy teach things like "first without equals," Ecumenism and Ecological-social justice distractions as a replacement to the Orthodox faith. Obviously, a Heterodox Latin will advocate for his position, as he doesn't know any better. Pray for him, and show your appreciation for Anthony's willingness to cover a topic others shy away from.
No, "He is only doing it because there aren't any Orthodox to do it with" is not a valid excuse. If that can't be found, he can explore this topic (or any other topic, for that matter) alone, wait until such a person is available or not do it at all. We do not suspend our rules and tradition at the slightest impracticality. What's next, are you going to say it's okay to rob people because there are no good jobs to work? Doesn't work that way.
If you are aware of the topics you mentioned, this should serve as a stepping stone for heightened sensitivity on these topics, and not disregard of our traditions and our rules out of practical considerations. Indeed, precisely because a Latin heretic advocates for his heretical beliefs, we should cut contact and avoid such people as much as possible, as per our tradition.
St. Theophylact says: (On 2 John 1:9-11,which is pertinent to this explanation, and I leave it to you to look it up)
"The Apostle warns those to whom he is writing the epistle not only to refrain from receiving anyone who comes to them without confessing the doctrine of Christ under their roof, but also not to even greet such a person—because our greeting should be extended only to those who are of like mind and of the same faith as us. For whom should we wish well, if not those who are of one mind and one faith with us? But if we greet the ungodly—something appropriate only toward those who share our faith and disposition—then by doing so, we show that we are in communion with them and that they have already drawn us into their ungodliness. The reason why this epistle and the one following it are presented briefly, the Apostle states, is that he hopes to come himself and, through a personal meeting, complete what is lacking."
You got to much time on your hands bro, this ain’t the end of the world
I noticed that smyrnean is going to great lengths to defend himself and his comment. That seems like egotism to me.
Okay so, nothing in what you said constitutes an argument. And I wouldn't call it great lengths, I don't think I spent 8 minutes in total for everything I wrote here. And besides, there is nothing wrong with going to great length to defend the truth, this is exactly what we are called to do, not to look at injustice or wronging towards God like some tranquilized cow, but to speak up against such things, especially when it comes to these kinds of subjects. Furthermore, I highly doubt that (in fact, I'm pretty sure) you are qualified to speak on these subjects in the first place, given what I've read in your other comment, you are far from being qualified to speak on these subjects in any capacity. Look up the Scripture I mentioned above and learn these things.
That's not an argument, and I know it's not the end of the world, my response was justified in its measure and called for. If you don't care about right and wrong and prefer slacktianity over truth, you can go to Protestantism. In the Orthodox Church, we engage in this kind of correcting, and rightly so. Like I said, you can go elsewhere if you don't like it, we are called to correct and warn each other when someone is out of line.
P.S., I want to add that Sungenis (and the rest of the papal apologist clowns) is a disgusting animal, who still has the audacity to be an apologist for the papal clown show, after Francis and Abu Dhabi Faith Center and every other disgusting scandal and filth, it is not possible for people like that to be acting in good faith or be sincere,this is not the early 2000's in which Orthodoxy was largely unknown and Francis etc. wasn't around for the contradictions and the shitshow to be that obvious, after everything that happened, these people are not only still Papists but are apologists for it, it's not possible for them to have even an ounce of honesty in them, there is just no way. A sensible person would run far away from them as soon as they saw them, and not interact with them, let alone shoot an episode with them like this. You should know better.
Truth is truth, no matter who says it.
I didn't contest that.We do not listen to strangers. Read St. Ignatius Brinchaninov's works on this and quit your absurdity. It should be clear what my point is. St. Paul, when he came across the demon-possessed girl in the Acts of the Apostles, didn't say, "well, she is telling the truth, there is no problem with people listening to her!", bu he quickly shut her down by saying "Silence!". Educate yourself on why he did that, and stop trying to one-up me like this like a baboon with moot points I didn't object to. Learn these things.
Listen man, connect me with an Orthodox Christian who has done extensive research on geocentrism and I’ll have him on. Otherwise, if you think it’s better for me to not cover these subjects at all unless they meet your specific criteria, you can just go ahead and unsubscribe.
They will know we are Christians by our love. ❤️🔥
True love necessitates and presupposes all other virtues, one can't be truely loving without also being virtuous, and one of the virtues we are called to acquire is justice. Not sure why you wrote, what you wrote, but there is nothing "unloving" about upholding the Orthodox stance and calling people out when it's necessary.
Anthony isn't in a discussion about doctrine or apologetics with Dr. Sungenis; rather, Dr. Sungenis is being interviewed for his expertise in Cosmology. If Anthony interviews an expert in Geology with a view to explaining the effects of the Great Flood on land formations, would you make the same criticism? Anthony is not praying with Sungenis or attending Mass with him, so I don't think he is sailing in dangerous waters. The other thing is, no priest in my church would discuss this topic, and I haven't seen any Orthodox priest on YouTube discuss this subject, so Anthony is doing Orthodox Christians a service by addressing what the Bible teaches about the Earth.
It clearly has a Biblical subtext and context behind and you know it. Look up above, he himself has put the word "Biblical" in the description. And yes, I would make the same criticism for the same reasons. We are supposed to be separate from them and not get anything from them to interpret the Scripture with. We have the Saints for that. you just said "I don't think he is sailing in dangerous waters", and that's not a valid argument. you are saying that just because it is not X or Y, it is not wrong, but that's just presupposing that it's only those things that are wrong/forbidden, which is not the case. Yes I think praying with him would be worse but that doesn't make this justified.
Regarding priests in your church, you should probably know that entire dioceses and huge areas full of people together with its bishops (not just priests) have apostatized in the past, countless patriarchs got condemned for heresy, so many priests and bishops did so much wrong and evil in the past that, I am marveling that you think just because the priests in one church didn't do this or that, that's somehow an undefeatable justification in your mind. I hope you can see your own ridicilousness. I don't care about what the priests in your church do or don't do, we don't regard our clergy as popes, there is no Papism in our Church and this is not Roman Catholicism with all its clericalism. I brought up Scripture and the writings of the Saints and what you said doesn't trump that.
Another bizarre thing you wrote: " I haven't seen any Orthodox priest on YouTube discuss this subject". So, was the entire Orthodox Church waiting for Youtube to be invented and Orthodox priests to get on it just so they could know how to approach and what to think about this or that, since in your mind the veracity of Orthodox dogma is decided by vote of the democratic coalition of "priests on youtube"? Please just quit writing anything else and educate yourself before embarrassing yourself this badly.
Why do you take such a nasty tone in your replies? You’ll never win over anyone with your high-handedness and holier-than-thou manner. You say, “…and you know it” as if accusing me of duplicitousness.
Educate yourself